Name: Rob Gerety From: White River Junction Time: Apr 2, 2001 12:11
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	Name: Dolores Rebolledo From: Exeter, NH Time: Apr 2, 2001 14:14
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Chinook 17.5' - great touring kayak/ excellent condition, great for ocean, lake, camping. All in primo shape. $650.
(603)772-7945 - NH seacoast, Dolores

	Name: Mary Lou From: Idaho Time: Apr 3, 2001 22:25
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Does anybody know of any pool roll sessions, I'd love to get a little pool time before I attempt Vermont water. I checked the schedule and didn't spot anything past March - any suggestions? (oh, now live in Richmond) -Thanks

	Name: Larry Theoret From: Alburg, VT Time: Apr 6, 2001 04:43
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Hi...looking for a nice used Mad River Malecite or similar, moving-water type canoe.

	Name: steve Hobbs From: NY Time: Apr 6, 2001 09:14
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It looks like the Schroon River will be running this weekendk and I was considering spending some time on it and or the Lower Hudson River between Riparius and the Glen (although I am not sure that the hudson is free of ice yet) Is anyone interested? if so please contact me via email. thanks.

	Name: Robert Altman From: New Salem, MA Time: Apr 6, 2001 12:50
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Canoes for Sale (tax time). Wenonah WWC-1, 16' kevlar downriver racing canoe, with new floatation bags. $600.
Wenonah WWXX, 18'6" kevlar downriver racing C-2, conforms to 'standard' specs, would make great first racer or quick, dry tripping canoe, stable and fast. $750
J-202 stripper with carbon fiber bottom,
flatwater C-1, Built by Bob Morris , 2 years old. $1000. Robert @ 978-544-3799.

	Name: Keith Wright From: Williamsburg, VA Time: Apr 7, 2001 15:58
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I will be in the Glens Falls, NY area during April 16-19 and wished to find someone (or tag along with a group) that may be running a Class I-III run on Tuesday 4/17 or Wednesday 4/18 in the Adirondacks. Is anyone meet-able for a trip? Any suggestions? etc?

	Name: Jason Duquette-Hoffman From: Burlington Time: Apr 7, 2001 23:37
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This is way late, but maybe there are others besides me staying up late and watching the gauges..... Anyone know if the Lamoille is open yet? (fairfax to arrowhead). Thinking about going tomorrow morning....

	Name: Martha Whitney and J. Ladd From: Time: Apr 8, 2001 19:28
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Canoe Trip mates wanted George River, northern Quebec Intermediate level wilderness canoeists looking for companions for a 4 week expedition on the George River, beginning in mid July or later. We’ve been traveling alone and this year would like to canoe on the George with a second boat, of well -experienced paddlers. We’d prefer a duo of a man and a woman or two women. Please callMartha whitney or J.Ladd at (802) 864-7280 or e-mail j.ladd@lchdc.org

	Name: Michelle Seamans From: Waterbury Center Time: Apr 10, 2001 07:32
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Hey Y'all,
We are starting to run the Huntington now. Tuesdays 5pm on the Dougway Road. My number is wrong on the club listing, it is 244-5039. Give a shout if you would like to join up.
See you on the river!

	Name: steve Hobbs From: Pottersville, NY Time: Apr 10, 2001 09:03
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Just wanted everyone to know that the Schroon River is not at a fun level and that if anyone is interested in running it drop me an email or call me at (518)494-1451. I only live 6 miles away from the river and could run it almost any evening or during the day on weekends.

	Name: Doreen Pante From: Warren Time: Apr 10, 2001 17:28
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The Mad is Rising!!
Middle section is do-able,but, lots of high ice on the sides, the weire dam
is NOT portagable due to high ice on the banks. The take out is not free
yet, ice flows blocking the rocks, plus parking not plowed. Take out could
be on the low road at the base of the rapid by the horse farms.
Lower needs another day,- ice flow is all across by the island below the
Rt100 bridge and double drop is half blocked, the put ins are all still in
2'+ of snow.with parking not plowed..lovers lane is open but it looks
blocked below the big rocks there...
AAAHHH spring!!!!

	Name: Steve Hobbs From: Pottersville, NY Time: Apr 10, 2001 17:41
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Please disregard my previous message about the Schroon River. Rather than saying "the Schroon river is NOT at a fun level" I meant to say it is NOW at a fun level." I guess I got too giddy seeing how much fun I am going to have in the next month or so. See you on the river.

	Name: Eric Bishop From: Jericho,Vt Time: Apr 11, 2001 11:37
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It looks like I don't have any work for Thursday and Friday of this week. Anyone interested in paddling? 899-1865

	Name: Todd Hotaling From: charlotte VT Time: Apr 11, 2001 16:27
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I'm looking for a wavesport X in good condition. You can email me or call 802 425 5207.....Thanks Todd

	Name: Eric Bishop From: Jericho,Vt Time: Apr 11, 2001 17:57
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Casey and I are meeting in waterville on Thursday at 11 am to paddle the North Br. of the Lamoille. His number is 635-7695 and my number is 899-1865

	Name: matt kiedaisch From: hinesburg Time: Apr 11, 2001 21:15
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I would like to paddle the New Haven ledges thurs, depending on water level, anyone out there interested? my # is 482-3382, give me a call

	Name: Oleg Kovalenko From: Boston, MA Time: Apr 12, 2001 00:25
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Trying to get information about Waterbury river and Little River below Waterbury reservoir; in particular, wonder if those rivers are canoeable in early- to mid-May. Also, would appreciate suggestions for a possible two-day quickwater to class II canoe trip in central/northwestern Vermont, also for early-mid May. Thanks a lot,
-Oleg (oleg_kovalenko@hotmail.com)

	Name: John Bungard From: Vergennes Time: Apr 12, 2001 08:01
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The waves below the dam in Middlebury are kickin' right now. I'm told the waves form at levels over 3 ft. It's at 4.75 now. We were down there last night and had a blast. The play hole isn't accessible at this level, but the wave is good. If anyone ever wants to go play there on weekdays after 3:30, drop me a line. You can check the level at http://bowdnhbow.er.usgs.gov/rt-cgi/gen_stn_pg?station=04282500

Also, I'm new to the area and looking for local paddlers. I'll hopefully be on the water every weekend for the next few months, so if you want to paddle or are willing to show me some area rivers, drop me a line.

John

	Name: Brian Jones From: burlington Time: Apr 12, 2001 08:46
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I'm planning on paddling at Chase Mill tonight around 6:00, provided this rain doesn't bring it to unsafe levels. Anyone else interested feel free to show up, the more the merrier.

	Name: Jason Duquette-Hoffman From: Burlington Time: Apr 12, 2001 14:28
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Anyone for Salmon Hole or the Lower Lamoille Friday afternoon after 3pm?

	Name: Erica Jacobson From: Huntington Time: Apr 12, 2001 16:41
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Hello there,
I am features writer with the Burlington Free Press who is working on a story about how the Internet has changed Vermonters' lives.
Have you forsaken shopping anywhere but online? Or do your kids put together school research projects in a matter of hours and without the traditional trip to the library? We'd like to hear your stories.
You can call me at 800-427-3124, ext. 1843 (660-1843 if that toll-free number doesn't work in your area) or, of course, e-mail me at ejacobso@bfp.burlingtonfreepress.com.
Thanks,
Erica Jacobson

	Name: michelle From: Waterbury center Time: Apr 13, 2001 11:24
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Just an FYI, there was a trip down the Mad last night. Large chunks of ice floating down and hitting you as you try to surf a hole. Oh yeah, and some 9 foot waves. Huge. No where to get out if one had to swim.
Craziness!

	Name: Julie Duggan From: Southern Vermont Time: Apr 13, 2001 14:34
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I have the perfect New York / Vermont log home for sale and need help finding a buyer. This home is magnificent and in a ideal location for hiking, swimming, sking, boarding, and just relaxing. Close to Manchester Vermont, Tanglewood, and Saratoga. It is a rare hand built log home with massive beams, woodstove, huge front porch, and very private. Perfect get away for a person/family who needs privacy.
View photos at:
www.loghome1.freeservers.com

	Name: Peter Herman From: Time: Apr 13, 2001 18:31
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Trip scheduled for Sunday 4/15 is still on. Meet at put in in Waits River village at 10AM. River is medium low but runnable. Some concern that banks are very steep ice and access/egress will be difficult in most places. Will try to update on Sat PM, but will be away most of the day. Call me at 439 5804 if you need to know more.ph

	Name: Peter Herman From: Topsham VT Time: Apr 13, 2001 20:59
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Trip scheduled for Sunday 4/15 is still on. Meet at put in in Waits River village at 10AM. River is medium low but runnable. Some concern that banks are very steep ice and access/egress will be difficult in most places. Will try to update on Sat PM, but will be away most of the day. Call me at 439 5804 if you need to know more.ph

	Name: Clint Luhmann From: Enfield, NH Time: Apr 14, 2001 10:37
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Hi everyone! I'm looking for a used canoe at a fair price. It doesn't need to be fancy, but it must float and be able to support two adults. Thanks. 603/632-5100.

	Name: GerardJoe From: Newfoundland Canada Time: Apr 15, 2001 08:08
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Canoe/kayak the Bay du Nord Wilderness Reserve in the interior of Newfoundland Canada for $ 800.00 US per person. Includes transportation to main lodge by float plane accommidations, meals, kayaks, canoes, guide, tents and much more. This area is well known for its connecting rivers and lakes, and wildlife. This is a perfect time to bring the family to one of the most beautifull areas in the remote interior of Newfoundland Canada.
For further information on this package, contact Gerard Joe hunting@sipujij.nf.ca

	Name: Rob Nixon From: Rutland Time: Apr 15, 2001 16:10
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Hello all,
I'm new to Vermont, I moved here from the great white water of Maine. I live in Rutland and I'm looking to paddle some new places with some new faces. I will be at the West river release on the 28th. I would love to get in contact with some of you and maybe share a wave or two. Please feel free to write.

	Name: Rob Nixon From: Rutland, VT Time: Apr 15, 2001 16:31
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A great New Wave "Cruise Control" White-water boat for sale. The perfect boat for the person that wants to get in to the great sport of white water without blowing all their funds. 150-250lbs paddler, great rocker, low volume stern to play on those eddie lines, and full back support system. let me know soon because I know it will go during the West River release. e-mail me or call 802.773.3920
Price $350

	Name: Rob Nixon From: Rutland, VT Time: Apr 15, 2001 18:37
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Hello all,
I'm new to Vermont, I moved here from the great white water of Maine. I live in Rutland and I'm looking to paddle some new places with some new faces. I will be at the West river release on the 28th. I would love to get in contact with some of you and maybe share a wave or two. Please feel free to write or call to rnixonii@hotmail.com and 802.773.3920

	Name: michelle From: waterbury center Time: Apr 16, 2001 08:30
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Hey all,
Did anyone get a campsite at WInhall for the West release this year? Rather, did anyone get a site who wouldn't mind a few extra people crashing at their site? The place is booked....never used to have to get reservations.
Michelle

	Name: Rob Farley From: Time: Apr 16, 2001 11:08
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Looking to paddle after work on either the Mad River, New Haven, Huntington or others in this area. Give me a call 482-3460 (home) or 241-3412 (work).

	Name: Julie From: Vermont Time: Apr 16, 2001 15:44
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I would like to find a buyer for my private log home. Hiking right out the back door. Tons of hiking trails, bird watching, swimming, skiing, boarding, state land, and total privacy can all be had here!!!!!!! Perfect get away or year round home (Cambridge N.Y. school district!!!) See photos:
www.loghome1.freeservers.com
Have a look!!!!!!
Hand built log home not from a kit. Very special place.
This quality built log home has two large bedrooms, two full baths, massive log beams throughout, great kitchen, huge front porch, decks, woodstove, and is in move-in condition! Nestled in the woods this home is close to Manchester Vt, Williams Mass, and Saratoga NY. It is a great place to relax and get away from it all. Very private location and minutes to great sking!

Year round fun ! This house is also self-sufficient! In addition to the electric power, several rooms have
GAS lights. The water can also run gravity feed.

Places like this can't be found anymore. Log Home in the woods!
108,000.00
See photos:www.loghome1.freeservers.com
Have a look!!!!!!

	Name: Barb Galgon & Greg Glade From: Williston, VT Time: Apr 16, 2001 19:58
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I am interested in canoeing the Winooski River between Jonesville and Essex Jct in the next week or so. The water looks friendly enough from an inexperienced canoeists point of view but I would very much appreciate any input from folks who have done this stretch and/or advice regarding a novice taking on this section at this time of year. I would be in a canoe with one other person. Many thanks.

	Name: BOB MARSHALL From: WATERBURY Time: Apr 17, 2001 15:06
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It looks like the rumors are true. I have been in contact thru e-mail with sombody from the corps and this is what he told me. Because of the heavey snow pack this year the Windhall Brook camp ground and the Jamaca state park will be closed the the spring release. The release is still going to go off @ 1500cfs on both days but you will need to find other accomadations for the 2 days. I even tried to get in with no services like warm water or even running water. He advised me that it was the mud that was the issue. they don't want vehicles on the roans or grass.

	Name: Karen Estey From: Columbia, NC Time: Apr 18, 2001 10:57
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Hello,
My name is Karen Estey and I'm writing to you from the Scuppernong River, Columbia, NC - just an hour from the Outer Banks.
I'm in the process of opening an indoor camping site (one block from the river) in an old building I own, for paddles that would include shared bath with shower, cot, dinner, breakfast and packed lunch.
From our area it's a quick trip to explore the Scuppernong River, The Alligator River, The Albemarle Sound and Lake Phelps.
You just bring a boat and linens.
I hope to have boat rentals by fall.
The rate for meals and lodging is only $22 per night per person.
The building also has a cafe, gym, TV, VCR and sitting area.
While in Columbia visit the Pocosin Art Center and Gallery, Christmas Shop, Gift Shop, Ice Cream Shop, Museum and a 3/4 mile self guided educational river boardwalk.
If you think you would be interested in receiving additional information or if you have any advice or suggestions, please drop me a line at rhouse@williamstonnc.com
Thank You and Have a Great Summer,

Karen Estey

	Name: Megan From: N. Ferrisburgh Time: Apr 18, 2001 14:31
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Hey folks,
How about the Hudson Gorge this Sunday, April 22? Which gauge reading tells the level for the gorge section? Anyone want to go if it's a good level?

Also, I'm looking for a boat! I want a flat hulled, but not too squirelly boat that can accomodate me (6'2"). Anyone selling such an item?
cheers
Megan

	Name: Ryan Moore From: Derby, VT Time: Apr 18, 2001 17:02
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Riot Glide for sale or trade. $400. Yellow, 2 yrs old. x-link plastic. Comes with extra power seat. Looking to trade for or purchase an Inazone 230 or Dagger Outlaw.
Ryan

	Name: Jesse Bushey From: Cabot VT Time: Apr 18, 2001 17:13
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Howdy paddling people, hope the spring runs have been treating you good. I'm looking for some info about finding a place to stay while at the west river release weekend. Does anyone know about possible lodgeings in the area? Or someplace where we could set up a tent? Anything close by Jamaica? Anything at all?

	Name: dave stanley From: Time: Apr 19, 2001 18:10
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Megan,

The North Creek gauge was 5.96 today, with the bubble from the Indian release it should be 6.5 if there is no rain. A good solid medium level, better than the 5-6' range. At 7.3 I used to feel it got class 5ish, big, unpredictable, reactionary curlers that were 20 feet long. Thankfully, it isn't that high.It would be good to be at the put-in by 10, we can see the response we get for car pooling. Be nice to have 2 cars, but the other boaters can help with a shuttle if we only are taking 1 car. The Lower Moose ,Mcgeever gauge would also be a good choice.
dave Stanley

	Name: BrianH From: Lake Placid, NY Time: Apr 19, 2001 21:23
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Riverrunning playboat for sale
Pyrhana Inazone 230 $500. Good for paddler weights 140-190.
very good shape. Stored indoors. This boat will take your playing to the next level.

Located in Lake Placid, NY
Brian Hart
bhart@adelphia.net

	Name: Randy Mead From: Fairfax, Vermont Time: Apr 20, 2001 06:07
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I'm looking for people who want to paddle the Lower Lamoille on Saturday 4/20 around 1pm. Call me at 849-2367 or return email.

	Name: Rob Nixon From: Rutland, VT Time: Apr 20, 2001 07:32
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Hi guys, Is the club going to get together for the west release? I'm looking for some people to paddle with that weekend. I'm a intermediate paddler, and I have a s.u.v. with a rack that can fit up to four boats for put-in. write me or call at 802.773.3920 and rnixonii@hotmail.com

	Name: Sharon From: Ithaca, NY Time: Apr 20, 2001 09:32
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Ultimate PADDLER's VEHICLE for sale

You will always have your bathroom and heated changing room with you if you drive the Xplorer 272. This retro vehicle is in good shape and runs great. No problem going up that hill to the take-out at the Yough. The Dodge 440 engine can climb that hill with 10 paddlers and 10 boats towed behind without losing power.

Impress your friends with hot food at the take-out. This motorhome has a full kitchen with double sink, oven, 4 burner stove and a good sized fridge. You will always have cold beer when you get off the river if the Xplorer is your river vehicle.

This 22' home on wheels is just the right size. Plenty of storage inside and out. I hauled out 5 large boxes of stuff when I cleaned it out after a long paddling trip.

New RV's like this go for $30,000. But this isn't new. It is definitely retro, complete with orange shag trim vintage 1978. We put in new carpeting where the shag was no longer shag or orange with durable indoor/outdoor carpet that can be cleaned up with a broom or a quick vacuum.

You can sleep 6 people, but you wouldn't want to do that every night. It is totally self contained and you can live in it, but I wouldn't want to live in it with 5 others. Perfect bachelor pad, for the River Rat on the go. You will really impress the chicks with this love wagon. If you are a family type, you can take the family in comfort, and never have to stop at a rest area again until the driver needs relief. The bathroom can be used in transit! The kids can play cards at the table and help themselves to drinks and food from the fridge.

The exterior is a leakproof and soundproof fiberglass shell.

We loved this vehicle, and if I don't sell it, I won't be too bummed, because it is so reliable and hauls so much stuff, that it would be great to have it for those occasions. But right now, it is super-clean, so we'd like to show and not dirty it up while it is looking so good.

It is complete with paddling stickers we have acquired along the way. They can be removed if you wish.

It is located in upstate NY, but it can be driven to a river if you are seriously interested and do not live nearby.

Lots of new stuff in it and lots of maintenance repairs, everything works and it is ready to roll to the river. New electrical system, batteries, tires and other stuff.

We are asking $5000.

Email sheller3@twcny.rr.com

Serious inquiries only. I can send you a picture.

	Name: David Penney From: Nashua, NH Time: Apr 20, 2001 09:40
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WTB: Wavesport Z or Perception Method Air in great condition.

Contact via email: davep15@hotmail.cm

	Name: Eric Bishop From: Jericho,Vt Time: Apr 20, 2001 19:24
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The N.Branch of the Winooski R. does not have nearly enough water to paddle on Saturday. It will take a very warm day and rain to bring it up. The Gihon had plenty of water Friday pm when I drove by it, but I am not interested in organizing a trip on it. Tony Shaw is looking to paddle Saturday as are a few others. My phone is 899-1865 until 9:30 pm Friday evening.

	Name: Patricia DePaul From: Grand Isle Vt. Time: Apr 23, 2001 08:48
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"treasures Of The Riviera" $1650

Departs Oct.2nd. and returns October 13th.

Includes Aifare, Hotel on the sea, Daily breakfast & dinner, 6 excursions & all tranfers & gratuities. Excellent references. For more information call Vt. Concepts @ 802-372-9544 or e-mail us @ arena39@aol.com

	Name: Faith Knapp From: Norwich Time: Apr 23, 2001 21:02
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Not only are the campsites closed for the West weekend, but the school is not letting anyone use the parking lot to put in. A spot would have to be found lower down and then the trip is really short.

	Name: Matt Holmes From: Hinesburg Time: Apr 23, 2001 21:49
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I still have a Wavesport X for sale. Good condition, fun boat. Please call or email if interested.

Matt
H 482-6752
W 244-8813 ext 121

	Name: Megan From: N. Ferrisburgh Time: Apr 24, 2001 10:17
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The Huntington River trip for this week will not be going. For those who are up for a slightly more advanced peice of water, we'll be running the lower New Haven this pm instead (unless it's reached flood stage by then!). We'll meet at 5:30 at the 7th Day Adventist Church outside of Bristol.
be careful out there!
Megan

	Name: Lynn From: NY Time: Apr 24, 2001 17:34
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HI, I want to buy some inflatable kayaks and there are 4 brands that I could buy but I can't tell which one is the best. I would appreciate any advice. so far I have found Stearns, Sea Eagle, Innova and soar. Is there a brand out there that is made of the same material zodiac boats are made of? the PVC most of them are made of doesn't seem to hold up well. thank you very much!
Lynn

	Name: Tony Shaw From: Williston Time: Apr 24, 2001 21:53
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Wednesday after work we are going to paddle the Browns River below Westford, if conditions permit. Phone me at work and leave a message (847-0143).

Also, Eric Bishop is looking for paddling partners Thurs. after work, and anytime Friday (899-1865).

	Name: Mike Smorgans From: Cambridge Time: Apr 25, 2001 17:30
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Looking to paddle Thurs.,4/26,(during the day) on the N. Br. Lamoille or Moose. N. Br. today at noon was <3' and should be runnable at a somewhat low level tomorrow. If too low, Then perhaps the Moose (currently 8.9' and dropping). Call 644-5880 or e-mail>

	Name: Bruce Kay From: Western Mass Time: Apr 25, 2001 20:53
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Wave Sport Score
Basically brand new (used 4 times)
Orange with additional outfitting
great playboat for someone who doesn't fit in a Foreplay.
$800 - firm

	Name: gidi From: Israel Time: Apr 26, 2001 04:03
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I'm looking for:
-a Kokatat OutFit Plus front zip pfd (red, xl)
-a kayak cart
-a safety kit

	Name: Chris Weed From: Burlington, VT Time: Apr 26, 2001 21:24
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Some last minute West River weekend information from the Corps of Engineers website --

Some of this is worth drawing special attention to (see text in all caps). I assume this is being done because the dam's pool stage is much higher than normal, and the Corps wants to draw it down as fast as possible to recover reserve capacity for further snowmelt and May-June rains (if we get some!):

Due to the late season snow in the parks the Corps' Winhall Brook Campground and Jamaica State Park will be closed for the white water release weekend of April 28 and 29. In spite of this, the Ball Mountain Lake release will take place as scheduled. Winhall campground will open as soon as conditions permit. There will also be a white water release during the week end of May 5 and 6. This release was made possible due to the high reservoir levels that have resulted from flood control operations. Please be advised that during the hours preceding and following the scheduled events the FLOWS FROM BALL MOUNTAIN DAM ARE LIKELY TO BE MUCH HIGHER THAN 1500 CFS which could make the river more hazardous for boaters. Releases from Townshend Dam will likely be much higher than 1500 cfs for the entire duration of both weekends, including the scheduled event times.
[from http://www.nae.usace.army.mil/waterres/htdocs/htmlfiles/recreation.html]

In other words, the river could be running substantially higher than 1,500 cfs for those who come early (before 8:30 AM) or stay late (after 4:30 PM), versus the recreational releases of recent years, in which the flow dropped off sharply at those times. Skilled diehards will probably say "cool!", but the rest of us who show up this weekend should take some care.

	Name: Steve Hobbs From: Pottersville, NY Time: Apr 27, 2001 07:47
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I am considering paddling the lower hudson from Riparius to the glen tomorrow. Anybody interested?

	Name: Frank Wells (frank.wells@vtmednet.org) From: S. Burlington Time: Apr 27, 2001 08:53
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If anyone paddling from Burlington this weekend has room for another body/kayak I would love to tag along. Temporarily grounded with bad clutch. Will gladly supply gas & beverage $$. Phone #658-9461

	Name: Adam Brightman From: Counseling Service of Addison County Time: Apr 27, 2001 11:26
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Selling nine great used whitewater kayaks: 2 Dagger Gradient, 2 Dagger Crossfire, 2 Dagger Blast, 1 Dagger RPM, 1 Dagger Transition, & 1 Perception Reflex II.Comes with spray skirt & helmet.$500 each or b.o.Call Adam Brightman, lv. msg. @ 388-6751

	Name: John Bungard From: Time: Apr 27, 2001 13:29
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Playboaters: Does anyone know if the Hartland waves can be too high? The release phone doesn't give a level, just "unstable water levels" this weekend.

If anyone's interested, this weekend we're going to paddle wave-o-saurus (Holyoke, MA; really fun last weekend), the Hartland waves, and/or parts of the Mad River. Home number: 877-6961.

	Name: Tom Yurista From: Middlebury, VT Time: Apr 27, 2001 16:28
Referred by: Bow and Stern Comments:

Water levels have been good and avid boaters have been out in force. Just a remnder: PLEASE THINK SAFETY! Friday 20 April there was a tragic death on the Middlebury River in the Middlebury Gorge in a group of truly expert boaters. Saturday 21 a group that likely overrated their own ability/misjudged the water level had what was a carnage run on the New Haven Ledges and had one member suffer a back injury that could just as easily have been a permanently crippling spinal cord injury. Either Fri 20 or Sat 21 a not very expert group of college students was actually filmed by a TV crew getting trashed on the Mad River in the Mooretown Gorge and was seen on the WPTZ 11pm news. (A Friend from Montréal called to tease about Vermont boating skills.)Please have gear that is in good repair. Have a throwrope in your boat or on your person and know how to use it. Take it out and practice with it. Have a breakdown paddle in the group. Have a first aid kit in the group. If you are creeking have a folding saw, extra carribeaners, pulleys, webbing and other appropriate rescue gear in the group. The water is cold, dress for a swim--no matter how good that you think that you are; no matter how long ago it was that you last swam. Paddle with people that you know and trust. Scout. And have fun. If you are getting nervous and no longer having fun on the river it could well be a clue that the water is too high or that you are getting beyond your ability. Do not be afraid to walk a drop or to just take off the river and live to boat another day.SYOTRTom

	Name: Mike Pasko From: Essex Juntion, VT Time: Apr 28, 2001 08:23
Referred by: Word of Mouth (Favorite) Website: essentialgraphics.com Comments:

Brand new to Vermont and looking to make some paddling friends up here. Available today (Sat. 28), Sunday. Have a lot to learn, just started in a hybrid last year so anything more than class 3 for now and I wouldnt feel to comfy. My wet exit is fine, I have the gear I need for the water temp and I promise not to be a liability! Been in a canoe for over 20 years and know how to read a river, just need pointers and practice practice practice. My number is 802-288-1084. A little quiet water would be great too, I have no clue where to put in, take out, ect.. Any takers? You name the spot and time, I will find it. Mike

	Name: joe From: Time: Apr 29, 2001 22:26
Referred by: Bow and Stern Comments:

A group "of truly expert boaters" still leaves someone dead. I can't make a judgement because I wasn't there. It's tragic when someone dies on the river but that's the nature of the game. All the scouting and throw bags in the world won't help sometimes. Blow your line, miss a boof, hit the rock you didn't see and that's all it takes to make a tragedy, but more often than not, a bad swim or a lost piece of equipment is all that happens. What we need is more people like Tom Yurista to make the judgements for us. He could do it all second hand with no real knowledge of particular situations. Everyone can send people like him their paddling resumes and he can send back a list of rivers and the levels that would be appropriate for you. I'm sure with just such a system we would not have to worry about any further injuries on the rivers. Whatever, I can just see Tom and his 10 carabinners, ACA "badges of courage" sewn on his highfloat life vest loading half his garage into his boat. Lets not forget "expert" is an ego label. Get out there and paddle hard.

	Name: Jenn From: Time: Apr 30, 2001 10:46
Referred by: Bow and Stern Comments:

I would like to sign up to have Tom assist me with my judgement calls!

	Name: megan From: VPC Time: Apr 30, 2001 12:23
Referred by: Bow and Stern Comments:

	Name: Megan From: N. Ferrisburgh Time: Apr 30, 2001 12:26
Referred by: Bow and Stern Comments:

I'd rather paddle with someone who's prepared and who encourages informed decision making on the river than someone who just says "paddle hard!". Thanks but no thanks Joe.

	Name: Eric Bishop From: Jericho,Vt Time: Apr 30, 2001 13:18
Referred by: Bow and Stern Comments:

What's the problem Joe, can't even spell your last name?

	Name: Eric Rossier From: Ferrisburg now Lincoln Time: Apr 30, 2001 18:28
Referred by: Bow and Stern Comments:

I felt it might be appropriate for a club member to respond that had paddled the New Haven River trip mentioned in Dr. Tom Yurista's comments on boater safty and good decision making. I share the somberness of many of you that have experienced the ugly face of injury in your own paddleing groups. In my return to Vermont's streams in a single season i have seen facial cuts and the spinal injury listed in Dr. Yurista's message. After work on Saturday the 21'st I was driving home to Lincoln when i recognised a group of 3 paddlers, 1 of which i knew. The leader and i had paddled the Little river the previous year during a moderate release. I requested to join the group and shared with them that i had never paddled the New Haven Ledges. I have paddled continuous class 4 and some class 5 rapids on western rivers. One of my largest concerns prior to the put in was the shape of my boat. I was paddleing a wave sport big EZ. I asked the leader if he thought the boat would be OK. The leader told me that i could scout what i wanted and we all would walk the rapid that had a large strainer in it. He shared his experience of paddling that section no less than 450 times. I assumed his qualification of the other paddlers in his party as they were formed prior to my arrival.
Based on a conversation in an eddy with the injured i felt comfortable entering the flow. I found he was a strong paddler with exceptional boof ability.
We descended upon the first rapid which felt more like falling through the chute in a Hay mow than much of what i had seen on a river. I was exhillerated, scared, and energized. The bouncing contact as the bow dropped into the fall line was a new feeling. It was my small boat introduction to creeking. It was at the end of this first rapid that friend of the injured lost one of his contact lenses. His depth perception was impared, his rhythem was knocked off, and had it been me in his position my monkey mind would have been screaming a hellatious "you will die". Needless to say it was a few rapids after that he parted from one of his booties, pinned his paddle in a strainer and sent his boat down stream. I assesed the situation while he was swimming and saw that our leader and the injured would be in better position to help the swimmer. Understand, this is one of three times in the eight years i have been paddling that i passed up a swimmer. I felt i couldn't deal with the consequences of carrying him into the next rapid. Leader and injured got him to shore and we paused to discuss the boat rescue and collect our thoughts.
This would have been the point of the trip for me to make a judgement call on the rest of the river. You must understand, until that point i thought i was out gunned by power, skill, roll ability and river rescue technique by leader, injured and swimmer. The adrenaline rush singing "see the tounges not the rocks" and my own search for quiet mind prevented me from the overt question: is this really a good idea and a safe river for me to paddle. I wanted to push for new ground and a single swimmer during the trip reminded me of the corn fed freshers that showed up at roll sessions thinking their own rolls would float them. It was above the ledge of Bartlet falls know to paddlers as Toaster that i pushed hardest for the quiet mind. Leader asked me if i wanted to scout it and my reply: "If i look at it, i probably won't run it."
Leader said that based on the increase in the flow of the river from the 2.5 foot level that we put in on we should have a scout that had a throw bag on the top left edge. Injured voluntered to act as rescue while leader ran the rapid with a clean drop. Thumbs up came back to me and i peeled out centering on the point that leader went. I traced his line and stalled a bit as i hit the rock lip and plunged bow first in a un identifyable munching mass of foam, exploding wave and dynamic funny water.
When my glasses hung infront of my face the from the inpact of the wave i took my right hand off my paddle to place them back on my head. Upsidedown i was comming in contact with a shelf on river left. I centered back on the paddle and popped my roll only to find i was floating in the green water safely out of the hole. The mist filled the gorge and made vision difficult even 25 feet downstream of the hole. Leader said that toaster was juicy today, and we agreed that she was big. The injured received thumbs up from me and left to enter his boat. The next frame i saw was somthing out of a Warren Miller film. Injured was paddling way hard, he accelerated to the lip digging in with every bit of his soul. When is final blade left the water his bow was up and he was airborn. He glided out of reach of the hole below only to find that he was to land out of the drop zone, in shallow water, on an unforgiving ledge. The bone craking smack sounded off the ledge walls as he uddered in muffled breath that he was hurt.
He repeated: "I am really hurt." He floated down the edge of the eddy to leader and leader assisted him to the slick ledge shore on river left. He was able to remove himself from his cockpit and stand when the pain hit dropping him belly down like a roast pig on his bow. He paused to collect his breath and leader did a damage assesment. Injured ferried river right under his own power to the road way where swimmer and a helpfull club member assisted him into a truck.
All of the mental errors of the day could not forgive what was to happen next. I let a probable spinal injury go away in the front seat of a pickup truck. I have been trained as a lifeguard and am currently certified for cpr. Injured should have ridden to Burlington with the rescue squad.
I assume personal responsibilty for my own actions that day as did each of the paddlers that i was with. Being a part of the group, making mental errors, acting quickly instead of responsibly i let the club down. What we must realize is that Dr. Yurista's goals for safty and good decision making are not based on some pious holyer than thou additude of ability. Dr Yurista has seen the results of bad decisions first hand. It is his job.
One of past years paddling back injuries was leaning against his car at the edge of the road when the injured was waiting for transport. He pulled out a bottle of ibuprofen handed the injured six. He said " i wouldn't take more than twelve of those in a day." I wondered how many it would take to forget about paddleing for the year.
Take heed paddlers bad decisions don't make hero's, they generate injury. Prolong your paddle by playing safe.

See you on the river.